He’s also a third-party business partner of mines when it comes to organizing coaching sessions for guys who are starting out in seduction.
As for legitimacy, he was voted #1 by the readers of this blog and popular PUA forums, as the top PUA coach of 2012.
He led the field by a huge margin, which goes to show that this guy [Justin Wayne], his brand of seduction and his team is a serious force in this genre.
And no it wasn’t a black thing, as some would surmise.
The viewers and readers voted for the best coach of 2012 [Justin Wayne].
I didn’t vote!
As for Bruce Wayne, he was mentored in pickup [day game] by Justin Wayne.
A former student of JW turned coach [pretty solid results I’d say].
Bruce Wayne, coach for the Justin Wayne Dating Company
Although the following video showcases day game, Bruce’s forte is actually night-game pickup.
Being that I dub myself the king of night-game pickup, it’s only right that I would gravitate to other guys who are also skilled in my arena.
In the video [of Bruce’s 1st. Day Game kiss close], you’ll notice how BW gets ballsy and touchy with the girl, and then he escalates.
Guys who are just starting out in pickup/seduction, or perhaps you’re not into pickup but is curious as to how some guys can get away with murder, and how to create instant wonders; pay attention to Bruce’s style, demeanor and attitude.
By the way, not all pickup methods follow this structure.
Depended on the girl, the time of day and other external and logistical factors, the seducer would operate accordingly.
Bruce goes for the playful, cheery, banterish-badboy vibe with his 1st. target whom he’d made out with.
Most of what he showcases in the video is based on Justin Wayne’s Domino Effect method of pickup which bases its method on a “Romantic Connection”.
Socialkenny’s step by step breakdown of this video:
Bruce Wayne’s kiss close:
[Fore-note: Bruce is being instructed by Justin via the earpiece he has in his ears]
•He opens with a Direct Opener [which I’m no fan of], but he does it the right way by injecting a curse word [“you’re so fucking cute”] which adds a badboy element to the opener.
•He grabs the girl by the hand as she passes, she gives Compliance to him doing that, which is why she didn’t react negatively to such a ballsy-forward move.
•He turned her (physically). This is a subtle yet powerful old-school seduction technique where you turn the girl around from the direction she was headed in. So if she was walking southwards, you turn her North (physically). Seems innocent and innocuous, but very powerful!
•He shows playfulness by twirling her in the street. Being playful disarms a girl’s sense of fear and makes you appear non-threatening.
•As she’s talking, he hugs her (while she does the talking). This is a solid KINO tactic.
•The girl says she’s heading to Barnes and Nobles to get a notebook. As any good PUA would do, he busts on her and says: “Boring”! This creates a situation where the girl sees you as a high-valued guy who isn’t gonna kiss her ass and play nice just to gain her favor. So he uses Neg Tactics by calling her Boring (which the average guy wouldn’t dare do).
•@ the 2:34 mark in the video, Bruce Wayne smoothly transitions into Story Telling with a routine, which will help in deepening the attraction.
•Notice as he’s sharing the DHV story, he’s holding her hand and looking into her eyes. He’s essentially hypnotizing her [as you can read in this recent article of mines where Mystery puts a girl into a trance-like states: How to seduce a girl].
•He began the story telling after she tells him her name. So the point of it all also, was to tell a story about a girl who had the exact same name as this girl.
•At this point, he has compliance from the target (the girl), which allows him to escalate and virtually do whatever he wants with her. If she didn’t give compliance, he’d have to work harder.
•Notice how interesting and different his story is. Every PUA is good at story telling…at least should be [DHV stories and routines]. this is literally 1 of the 1st. things a Pick-Up Artist is taught to do.
•At the 3:00 minute mark, he puts his hand on her shoulder, which is another test for compliances and to feel out how she reacts to being physically touched. She obviously didn’t mine.
•He then gives her a hug and kiss on the cheek. Most PUA schools of thoughts teaches that you don’t go in for the full-blown kiss on the first attempt. So this is why Bruce Wayne kissed her on the cheek first instead of making out. He’s testing the waters for the real kiss.
•3:11 As she says bye and walks off, he pulls her back, “Wait wait wait wait”! This is called frame battling and frame control. His frame [his mindset] is dominating hers. He’s being the aggressive Alpha male.
•She insists on going, but he insist on her staying a bit longer, showing her that he is the dominant one.
•@ 3:17, he full blown makes out with her non verbally. He doesn’t say to her, “I want to kiss you” (which he could have said), he leads right into it instead.
The following segment of the video features some in-field game from Justin Wayne, the legend himself, as he displays how to run Night Game via his Romantic Connection system of pickup, as he seduces a French girl.
The third segment of the video features Bruce under the instructions of Justin doing some day-game pickup as he approaches and opens a Thai girl.
Pay close attention to BW’s style as he tells the girl, “You don’t need to go to work. Come with me instead”, and he holds her playfully. Then he turns her [classic PUA tactics].
Notice how he uses FTC’s [False Time Constraints] with the same Thai girl by telling her, “I only have 3 minutes”. This classic technique is subtle yet super powerful!
@ the 8:07 mark in the video, The Thai girl issues a Congruence Test (as all women do), by asking if he [Bruce] does this all the time with lots of women [pickup]. Bruce passes her Congruence Test by saying “Yes, I pickup women all the time every day”. He amps it up instead of saying “no” like the average guy would. So he passes her Congruence Tests by virtually admitting to being a player.
@ the 8:38 mark of the video; he kisses her bye.
At the end of that sequence, Bruce sat down with JW as JW gives him some in-field pointers of what he should’ve and could’ve done differently.
9:17 Bruce approaches Indian girl.
Notice how the girl is very reserved and subdued opposed to the other high-energy girls. This disposition most likely stems from the Indian girl’s upbringing [likely strict-conservative Eastern parents].
Also, because this is a seated set [the girl sitting], the dynamics are totally different, and your game and approach will have to be somewhat more subdued as opposed to high energy. A girl who’s sitting is generally harder to seduce and sway than one who’s standing.
He created such a good impression that she offers to give him her # without him even asking for it [this is a HUGE sign of interest]!
Justin Wayne, famed PUA-dating coach out of New York City.
10:50 mark of the video, Justin demonstrates some pickup on a blond girl.
11:14 Justin gives the girl a high 5 for a recommendation she’d made. This is also a classic old-school PUA tactic to get physical with the girl [KINO] so she becomes acclimated to his touching.
11:21 JW goes into Cold Reading techniques by asking and assuming that she’s artistic. Very powerful seduction concept.
11:54 JW hugs her after she says that she’s ambitious. He’s essentially rewarding her (with a hug) for having good qualities. This is a vintage seduction technique called Reward and Punish. And notice how he naturally and smoothly leads into the hug without hesitating.
12:49 He takes the Blond on a virtual Insta-Date. The average guy, whenever he picks up a girl, he gets the # and leave. Fine! That’s what you should do! However, if it’s possible, suggest an instant date right then and there as JW did.
13:01 JW says to her as they walk hand in hand: “Do you normally hold hands with guys you don’t know”?
This is also a classic PUA verbal routine. It’s a playful neg hit with built-in banter.
Every girl usually laughs when a guy says this.
13:29 The girl tells JW that she has a boyfriend.
Pay close attention to how Justin handles it. He doesn’t apologizes and recoils (which will make the girl feel as though she’s doing something wrong). He gives her another hug instead as if he’s rewarding her for being taken. Most men will flop at this point.
He then kisses her few times.
The remaining 3 minutes of the video features bloopers, rejections and all the not-so fun things which entails pickup.
The beauty about this 17 minutes video is that it ends with the reality of game, which is that you will fail more and get rejected more than the average guy who has no skills!
Sounds counter-intuitive and crazy, but it’s the truth; guys with game get rejected 100 times more than guys who are bad with women who have no game.
However, the hidden beauty is: guys with game also get 100 times more successes than guys without game.
What a paradox!
All in all, study the video and study how Bruce and Justin Wayne pick up girls, and your 2013 will be ensured that you’ll get laid like Rockstars.
By the way, if you’re in the NYC Tri-state area, or will be at some point and would like to be coached by Justin Wayne or any of his junior coaches, contact me, Socialkenny, and I’ll facilitate and expedite the process for you:
Visit the site @ Justin Wayne Dating, where you can browse some solid articles to get your skills to the next level.
“Forums such as RSD Nation and The Attraction Forums are similarly large but suffer from censorship and moderation that is skewed to support the respective companies ( Real Social Dynamics and Love Systems)”.
Despite the bullshit, I’m cool with the master-PUA coach, Savoy [president of the Love Systems company].
I actually did some work for them [Love Systems] about 2 years ago, along with Gil Rio, who’s an LS coach out of Brazil. Gil and I translated the fame PUA books: The Mystery Method and Magic Bullets, from English into Portuguese and Spanish [since Savoy wanted to expand into the South-American region].
So Savoy and I have history, and are pretty much cool. But it’s the fucking moderators over @ the attraction forum to be blamed for the strict policies and enforcements which are bad for the forum.
This forum also has major log-in issue, where you’re not able to successfully log in for days on end [I haven’t been able to sign in over a year- for real]!!
I’ve been a member of this forum since the beginning of 2008 (on which I’m a forum leader).
Great forum by the way, in that one has no issues when it comes to posting videos and links.
I’ve got into fights with a number of moderators over there; In particular Hobbit & Chief PUA, who comes across as a jealous chode since he’s always jumping down my throat about strict-forum rules like a Nazi mod’.
Just yesterday, I received a pm (private message) from Chief saying that he’s giving me a final warning for violating forum rules because I’d recommended my free e-book to some newbies who were inquiring about useful-pickup books.
So he’s threatening to ban me from the pick-up artist forum if I post another link to my free e-book.
I sent him a nice-warm message saying: “Fuck you faggit! You can ban me all you want clown. I’ll start my own forum you jealous prick”!
After that message, I probably did get ban. But fuck it!!!😆
Those clown moderators at pickup artist forum went on a witch-hunt to suppress my name, growth and products.
This sort of mockery and jealousy-trip can happen to you. So I don’t advise anyone to sign up to that forum, unless you’re content with getting virtually bitched slapped by the likes of Chief PUA, who salivates at the thought of banning members unjustly.
Despite being an active member of that forum since early 2008, with virtually over 2,000 posts, helping the average guy with his dating life…I’m a proud guy who’s willing to risk being banned and deleted than to be chumped by pussy moderators as if I’m a newbie.
These clowns are very suppressing, strict and ruthless when it comes to content and what you can and cannot post.
In spite of the name (PUA Hate) and its knack for spewing propaganda on other PUA’s, this forum has featured some top PUA coaches in the game over the years (some however post as anonymous).
I’ve only been a member of this forum less than 6 months now. Surprisingly; they showed me mad love because I’d called out seduction guru, Aaron Sleazy out of Germany, who’s hated on that forum.
However, 2 days ago, I got a pm (private message) from 1 of their Nazi moderators saying I was banned for violating forum rules…which is bullshit!
These guys banned me and closed my account because I was able to tool the shit out of their moderators (on the subject of Game), and I was able to gain some notoriety there.
If it’s 1 theme that these fucking PUA-forum moderators subscribe to, is to keep you from getting too large.
The moment that you’re gaining a name in the seduction community via their forums, and it’s not to their interest; you will be friggin’ suppressed, banned and shut the fuck down…which is unfortunate, bias and defeats the purpose of having a forum.
“The PUA Forums You “Should” Sign Up With”
Aaah, there is light at the end of the tunnel!
It’s not all bad when it comes to seduction forums.
Some of the following forums I’m a member/poster of, so I can personally say that their moderators are cool as a MOFO! And you won’t be bombarded with warning messages over petty bullshit like mistakenly posting in the wrong section.
•Phase-Shift Lounge [Kings Of Pickup]
•Casanova Crew [JTR]
•Justin Wayne Dating Forum
•Post Masculine [Mark Manson]
•PUA Forums: With research, I’ve yet to come up with any negative reviews on these guys and the way they operate their forum. Seduction guru Bill Preston gets 2 thumbs up for this.
I’ve been active on this forum for under a year now. It’s active, interactive, and your inquiries (posts) will not go unanswered.
Neither will you be blasted left and right with warnings and violation notices even when you’re not violating shit.
They do have a no-troll tolerance; but trolling activities should be banned anyway.
As for posting videos and such, I regularly post and embed my Youtube pickup vidoes on Casanova Crew Forum without issues.
JTR and these guys aren’t concerned with “keeping the man down”, as those pricks over @ pickup artist forum.
Therefore, it’d be a good choice to register on this forum.
•Justin Wayne Dating Forum: I’d registered with this forum the other day (less than a month). I was personally invited to join actually by Justin Wayne PUA himself, so that says a whole lot as to the integrity and character of the individual(s) you’ll be interacting with on his forum.
Strangely though, I’m unable to log in for the past few weeks, and I’m having issues resetting my password to a new one. Seems like a glitch in the sign-in field.
Apart from that, the forum is pretty-much brand new yet active. And you’ll be respected and given leniency for minor mistakes [although I’ve never violated even unintentionally].
•Post Masculine aka Practical Pickup Forum: I’m not a member of this forum (yet), but I’ve only heard good reviews so far about the way Mark Postmasculine [formerly known as Entropy PUA] runs this forum. •RooshV Forum: My nemesis Roosh! No love loss since I’ve been feuding with him over the past 7 months.
He hardly censors or bans anything…even trolling on his blog posts.
Because of my prior differences with Roosh, I never bothered signing onto his forum. But I recommend it though, being that his forum gets solid reviews, opposed to a gung-ho, shut-you-down approach towards its members.
There you have it folks!
The good, the bad and the fucking ugly… in terms of PUA/Seduction forums.
Wanna learn some quick game for the holiday on into the New Year?
Then sign up on the recommended-seduction forums, and shit on the ones which operate like Hitler on steroids!
Other recommended PUA forums with a decent reputation:
Many in the PUA/Seduction community may be of the opinion that Socialkenny loves to start shit, open old wounds which have already been healed, fan flames…
Hopefully this article doesn’t stir shit up once more, since 70 % of the coaches listed are my buddies, with half of whom I chat and do business with.
On the bright side; I’m virtually plugging all you dudes: so be appreciative!
Drum roll please!!!!!
TenMagnet (Chris Shepherd) vs Paul Janka
Back in 2008, PUA dating coach, Tenmagnet of the Love Systems dating company, went on a rampage about Paul Janka’s appearance on the Dr. Phil show, insinuating that PJ is a fat liar for claiming that he’d slept with 134 women, he doesn’t have Game, and it’s only his good looks which get him by, and that he’s a bad role model for the PUA community.
Tenmagnet (of Vancouver) went on to say that Janka clearly doesn’t understands women, and that he creeps them out. He ends it off by bashing PJ’s attraction formula model.
Paul Janka of Attraction Formula, never officially responded, but he took some indirect shots at Tenmagnet on an episode of the Pick Up Podcast Show with the Harbingers, saying that certain coach has been acting catty with soap-opera drama on blogs and stuff. Download interview part 1 and part 2.
Lovedrop promised to repay Speer, but he came to find out that LD was actually broke, yet putting up a front as if he was making money from coaching.
Speer claims he never got repaid to this day a cent of the $10,000 for damages.
He went on further to say on The Pick-Up Podcast Show, that he regrets being around Lovedrop, and that they’d poisoned the way he thinks. Download that interview Here.
Lovedrop never publicly responded.
Speer picking up girls in Miami.
LoveDrop teaching KINO escalation (how to touch girls).
Julian Fox vs Styles (Neil Strauss)
Styles (Neil Strauss)
Back in 2008, a then up-and coming pick-up artist coach out of NYC, Julian Foxx, made the ultimate challenge: he called out the PUA guru, Styles of Stylelife Academy (also the author of “The Game”), to a sarge off (a challenge at who could pick up the most, or hottest girls).
Julian said after analyzing Styles’ Game, he just could’nt believe that this guy (Styles) was capable of picking up chicks (or more than he could).
Styles publicly backed down from the challenge and deferred Julian to challenge the PUA godfather, Mystery instead.
Word circulated that Julian had AMOG’d and pulled a chick from Mystery at a bar, and walked out with her on his arms.
A feud over what really happened that night ensued. One party calling the other fraud and washed up.
[Below: Video of Julian calling out Styles for a pick-up challenge/sarge off].
[Video below: Styles on the Jimmy Kimmel show; gaming Jessica Alba].
Mystery vs Savoy
According to a top coach in the community, after Savoy, the leader and founder of the Love Systems PUA group, won the disputed settlement against Mystery, that he (Savoy) was awarded legal ownership of “The Mystery Method brand (founded by Mystery), Mystery was so pissed and hell bent on sabotaging Savoy, that he planned on hacking into the company’s records in order to get a hold of
Students’ info, in order to steal customers away from Savoy.
[Video below: Savoy and Love Systems crew on a Fox News report, doing live pick up in a bar].
This incident spun off into a vicious-internet feud between the 2 camps: Love Systems(Savoy’s) and Venusian Arts (Mystery’s), instigated by the PUA coach Sinn.
[Video below: Mystery on his VH1 Pick-Up Artist reality TV show, along with coaches Matador & Tara]
[Video below: Mystery in-field at a club showing his seduction skills].
Earlier in 2012, Cassanova Crew’s leader and founder, “JTR”, on an episode of his PUA podcast show, ranted that VK robbed him(financially) out of a business deal, used him in order to steal students over to the Project Hollywood Crew [and that’s least of the fraudulent accusations]. Download the episode Here.
This got pretty ugly when JTR alleged that VK was in rehab in pretty bad shape trying to seduce the social worker to his last breath.
VK responded by physically threatening JTR and his crew via series of voice mails.
To add fuel to the flame, VK and Speer created an online crew dubbed “The Real Cassanova Crew”, essentially tried to paint JTR’s Casanova Crew as a copycat.
[Video below: VK hanging out being outrageous as usual].
All went well (so it seemed), until the interview-release date kept being pushed back.
After the anticipated released, Justin noticed that a lot of what he said was omitted, and he thinks that Alan unfairly cut him off and didn’t give him sufficient time to dialogue.
This spun out into a whole controversy on JW’s blog as to who was at fault.
Alan eventually extended the olive branch: “Justin, I am sorry you felt that you were not given enough time to speak. I cannot say that I 100% agree with that. I ended up doing a 3-hour episode, and compared to other guests on my show, you had a lot of opportunities to speak”.
Mehow claimed that Ross is just attention seeking and looking to self promote off his name, and that Ross has been editing his (Mehow’s) guest posts on his (Ross’ site).
Mehow went further to challenge Ross to a sarge off [PUA contest at who can pick up the most chics], but claimed Ross turned down the proposal.
Ross upped the ante by making a Youtube video portraying Mehow as Hitler.
However, Mehow took the high road e-mailing Ross saying:
“There are pickup companies that don’t help people at all, have instructors with almost no experience at all, sell techniques that never ever work…yet somehow, every other post on your PUA Fraud its all about me … You are attacking a guy
with just insinuations (because that’s all you have) … a guy who’s central message is “Be
Social”. You use hypnosis on girls to get yourself laid (and from the demo you gave me when we hung out 4 years ago I believe it works).
A defiant Ross went on to bash Mehow however.
But it seems like the beef has been squashed.
[Video below: Mehow making out with a nurse at a party].
[Video below: Mehow kissing girl infront of her boyfriend].
Aaron Sleazy vs. VK Vince Kelvin
The ever so controversial Sleazy went at Vince on his blog [Picking up women with sleaze], claiming that VK could only manage to pick up fat and undesirable girls, UG’s (ugly girls), and that he creeps out the girls he approaches.
Aaron doubled down on the low-blows, claiming that the PUA heavy-weight, VK picks up underage girls (via his infield videos).
This Vince-trashing went on for few weeks, as Sleazy wrote about 3 subsequent articles dedicated to his disdain for VK.
Aaron eventually lost a lot of credibility in the seduction/seduction community for his VK-bashing.
Earlier this year on his bi-monthly PUA podcast show, PUA promoter/instructor “JTR” of California’s Casanova Crew, went at Ross of Speed Seduction pretty relentlessly, alleging that Ross was talking shit about him recently in the community.
Rippa (JTR) claims that Ross is disgruntled and pissed that he was excluded from, and not invited to speak at the PUA Summit, and decided to take it out on him.
Also that RJ kept e-mailing him begging to be a speaker for Casanova Crew.
Ross fired back saying that JTR is selling dick-enhancement pills to community guys.
Feud went back and forth between Ross and the entire Casanova Crew. However, it seems like the beef has ended (for now), since RJ had spoken at a few PUA events since.
[Video below: Ross teaching how to arouse women].
PUA-Hate vs David Deangelo
The oft-scandalous guys over at PUA Hate pushed the scandal pedal to metal when they’d posted on their forum that the PUA guru, David D of Double your dating, has a Tranny as his new girlfriend.
David D and his GF
This treacherous rumor sparked a lot of outrage throughout the community on many forums and PUA lairs: perhaps PUA Hate has went over board this time.
Compounded by all the pressure and backlash, they apparently removed the scandalous-forum post.
David D hasn’t publicly responded [the community’s outrage was enough I guess].
Many felt that PUA Hate had sunken to an all-time low with this accusation.
[Video below: David D teaches attraction]:
Speer vs Matador
After Speer’s falling out with the Venusian Arts Crew, he went at it with Lovedrop and Mystery, but the verbal beef between him and Matador was a lot more heated.
Matador said that Speer was never a pick-up coach for Venusian Arts, and he was just claiming so to bolster his credentials in the community.
Speer got pissed at Matador for insinuating that he wasn’t good enough to coach students.
[Video below: Speer shows how to do “social-circle Game” at a party]:
Sinn vs David Wygant
PUA heavy-weight Sinn, of Sinns of attraction, has been on a Twitter rampage over the years where he bashed other instructors.
During 1 of his public tirades, Sinn said that David Wygant is getting too e-mail happy, spamming him with products after products, and then sent him a newsletter trashing the PUA community.
DW replied to a blog post on Sinn’s site:
“you are very good at
making assumptions without ever speaking personally to me.
You have my email……I don’t hide on posts behind fake names. Do you want to talk and learn what I am about feel free to contact me in my office”.
The feud raged on even harder when the pick-up coach, Mack Tight, owner of E-Seduce, jumped in on the side of Sinn.
Eventually, an enraged Sinn challenged DW to a physical slug-fest: old-school style.
DW rebutted and called Sinn an immature asshole starting a disturbing beef.
[Video below: Sinn along with dating coach PUA Psych, messing with some girls during night game street pick up].
[Video below: Sinn talks about “attraction-switch theory”].
Mack Tight vs David Wygant
The drama between the PUA instructors Sinn & DW steamrolled onto Mack Tight of E-Seduce.
DW charged Mack Tight as a childish instigator and sidekick follower for suggesting he fight Sinn in an amateur-boxing match.
According to Mack, on an episode of the Barry Kirky PUA show, David claimed that Sinn could’nt look him in the eye like a real man at the ’08 PUA Summit gathering.
Mack Tight went on to rant that DW is a PUA community flip-flopper.
Some RDS members on their forum, have been calling for PUA guru Tyler Durden(RSD’s leader and founder) to sue Rob Judge.
However, Tyler surprisingly responded that he cares little about the supposed thievery, and that he wishes all PUA companies would stop bashing each other.
The feud subsequently died down, but the flames were fanned by the controversial guys at PUA Hate, as they dubbed Rob Judge as a guy who steals PUA material from everyone.
[Video below: Tyler Durden (leader of RSD) picking up chics while not in the mind frame to].
[Video below: RSD Tyler talks about the secrets of staying confidence]
Brad P vs Nathan PUA,Psych & Heartwork
Nathan PUA, PUA Psych, Heartwork
Rated the world’s best PUA coach(by many), Brad P of The 30-30 Club Forum, back in 2010 decided to take a controversial jab at the 3 rookie coaches when he accused them of treating newbie students like shit, and that Psych was never a coach @ PUA Training.
Brad P also claimed that the trios’ students were being ignored while the coaches got hammered drunk at venues and ultimately refused to refund them.
Also, that Nathan PUA roughed up a student (Forever Drake) at the PUA Under 21 Conference 2011 (for aspiring PUA’s who are unable to enter nightclubs for over 21).
Brad P pulling his authoritative strings called for Nathan PUA, Psych and Heartwork to retire from the community (at least for a stint)!
Many felt that he was out of order for policing the community.
No public rebuttal was given by either coach as to Brad P’s accusations.
PUA Psych takes over a Mexican restaurant in NYC.
Thundercat (Joseph Matthew) vs Twenty Six (Barry Kirkey)