I received the following question in the form a post on my Facebook page wall [Master Seducers], from a guy who’s a regular follower of mines.
My address to his question:
Is that manipulative?
Yes and no.
Manipulation: to manage and influence someone or something skillfully.
That is the most general and primary definition given for “Manipulation” in any online or physical dictionary.
Doesn’t sound so crafty and nefarious does it?
Within the confines of the true definition of manipulation: yes- we do manipulate women in pickup, just as guys outside of pickup, also practice manipulative tactics.
The trick now comes in where AFC’s and Beta-Males who oppose pick-up ideology, put a negative spin on the word manipulation, and then tag that label onto pickup.
Believe whatever it is you want, but we all manipulate!
The world itself is a grand manipulation!
In fact, if you don’t manipulate others, you get nowhere in life!
Everyone of us is subjected to manipulative tactics, and everyone of us attempts to use manipulation upon others.
How about women who wear makeup and mascara?
Isn’t that manipulation?
Isn’t that an attempt to make oneself appear (more) youthful than she really is in order to attract those of the opposite sex?
Isn’t that very manipulative?
How about wigs and false hair?
How about lipstick, botox, liposuction and high heels?
Are those manipulative tactics?
Of course they are!
However, we don’t hear Beta-Males and “good men” crying foul about such manipulative tactics which are used by almost every girl in the so-called developed and developing world.
Hence, why the double standard?
Why do some men see chatting up women as manipulation, but women wearing skin-tight outfits to the nightclubs in order to seduce men, are taken with a grain of salt?
The answers are besides the point.
What is very relevant is the reality that both sexes MUST and DO manipulate the other.
Women aren’t called out on this because ass-kissing Beta-Males want to remain servant-boys to women, so it’s best to ignore manipulation of the part of women in order to not upset their positions at poop-scoopers of women in society.
Even he- the “good guy” Beta- is the biggest manipulator there is in the virtual-dating marketplace!
So-called “Nice Guys” are the real assholes.
Their entire strategy is the manipulation of women!
They try to “friend” their way into pussy!
Their niceties and benevolent gestures are all done in hopes to get laid!
The so-called “good guy” isn’t being nice to women just for the sake of spreading love!
His agenda is a hidden motive which is all to get his slimy ‘self some poon-tang.
However, since he’s a social coward, afraid to advance on this goal of his [to get laid through false pretense], included the fact that this is the only way he knows (or been taught), he conceals his ulterior motives while berating the bolder men who don’t mislead women into thinking that their sole purpose for “talking” is just for friendship sake.
Hence, whenever I receive those oft-familiar comments and e-mails from guys who sparingly get laid, saying that “pickup is manipulative”, I chuckle and say, “Sure! It is! But don’t for 1 minute think that your ‘nice-guy shit’ isn’t manipulation in the worst way”!
At least as someone who does seduction/pickup, I can pride myself on the fact that I don’t lie to women, I don’t mislead women, I don’t give false hope and make false promises, I don’t “befriend” women in order to get laid, I don’t come off as someone who’s providing a shoulder to cry on while trying to fuck her at the same time!
Those are all crass-manipulative tactics of the average Joes, the Beta-Males and weak men!
They provide a shoulder for the girl to cry on in moments of distress while trying to finger her vagina as she sobs on his shoulder.
Very creepy muthafuckers are those so-called “Good Guys” who label PUA’s as manipulative and tricking women into bed!
A PUA does NOT provide a shoulder for any chick to lean on and to cry on!
A PUA does NOT make promises of relationship in hopes that the girl gives him sex under the promise of a relationship in waiting!
Speaking of that, I posted the following screenshot to my Facebook yesterday of a chat I had with a girl dating back to 2013 after I picked her up.
When I picked her up, quite naturally, my intention, which was stated to her, was solely a casual affair.
In other words; I was NOT looking a relationship- merely sex!
Now, this chick had fallen for me so hard within 2 weeks of meeting, she begged me to be in a relationship with her!
I turned her down!
I was NOT in the business of misleading women via false promises of exclusivity just to get laid.
Realizing that I wasn’t going to budge, she tried to put me in the friend-zone as a way to keep me around in order to entrap me into an unwanted relationship with her [women are brilliant tricksters].
Again; I declined to be her friend since that was NOT what I was after!
Thus the following messages she sent me upon my refusal to agree to anything serious or mere friendship.
Now, there are some guys out there going:
“Kenny, why the fuck didn’t you just agree to the terms and promise the girl a relationship in order to sleep with her”!?
Again; that would have been the worst kind of manipulation, playing on a gullible person through false hope and false promises.
That is an anti-PUA tactic, and we frown upon men [stereotypical players] who have to lie and mislead in such a way in order to get laid!
Hence, how are PUA’s manipulative!?
In which way?
This isn’t just a Kenny thing!
Any PUA would’ve done the same…unless he’s a rogue or fringy character…which is his prerogative! But PUA’s for the most part, are above board with the women we meet!
Sure I lie to women just as everyone else does!
I mean, telling a girl whom you’d just met that you live downtown when you really live uptown, isn’t manipulation, though a white lie.
On the other hand, telling a girl that you want to marry her, or take care of her and treat her like a princess when you only want to sleep with her, is manipulation and deception of the worst kind in dating!
There’s no hidden fucking agenda when it comes to the operation of a PUA!
The girl knows what we want!
We are not as stupid and unskilled to voice this to her. But she can very much tell within our body language, gestures [KINO and touching], voice, tonality and the subject matters we touch on and the ones we avoid like the plague.
The difference now between a PUA and a so-called non-manipulative guy, is that the so-called “good guy” hides his dick from women!
In other words, he pretends as though he doesn’t have a sexual interest in the women he meets.
Whenever a girl calls him out on wanting to fuck her, he goes:
“Oh no! Not me! I’m a good guy trying to make friends”!
However, since women possess clairvoyant abilities, she sees through this so-called good guy’s bullshit facade of deception and immediate dismisses him as just another chode-ass Beta trying to friend his way into some pussy.
Those are your manipulators in the negative sense of the word!
The so-called nice guys and “good guys” are your true manipulators, tricksters, deceptors and misleaders!
The Pick-Up Artist merely plays the mating ritual, which is a dance involving 2 persons engaged in push-pull, flirting, cat and mouse and subtle leads and gives.
Women very well understand that dating and courtship is a dance!
PUA’s also understand this!
The stereotypical “good guy” is the only one oblivious to the way this game is played, hence he resorts to manipulative tactics such as trying to buy women, buy their love, buy their affection, buy their attention in the form of gifts, drinks at the club, nice-guy chatter, flattery and compliments.
His entire schtick is to buy women!
He puts down-payments and [monetary] installments on the pussy [through favors, errands and gifts] in hopes that the girl will reward him with what he truly wants but is afraid to go after it: SEX!
On that note, to those guys out there who get somewhat defensive whenever confronted with “pickup is manipulative” talking points, take it not negatively!
Laugh it off while bearing in mind that the guys (or gals) who taunt you of this, are the true manipulators!
For crying out loud dude, I’ve been called a manipulator, rapist and evil scumbag by both men and women over the years since propagating this information through my blog.
Have those falsified labels detracted me from my 2 main goals: teaching and banging?
Of course not!
The true hallmark of an Alpha-Male is someone who doesn’t allow weaker people’s opinions of them to cause a reaction for the worse.