Top 10 Mistakes Men Make With Women [according to Renaissan]

Renaissan

Renaissan; PUA coach for the Venusian Arts

[Guest post by dating coach Renaissan]

TOP TEN MISTAKES MEN MAKE WITH WOMEN

1. Showing too much sexual interest (Starting in Seduction): “The Creepy Guy”

A lot of guys show sexual interest in a woman before they attract and qualify her. They make it obvious to a woman they’re only interested in taking sex from her, without any regard to her as a person. It’s as if they say, “You don’t know me, wanna have sex?” Rather than be a getter, why not be a giver? Before seducing her, it’s best to let her see what you’re about, bring her some joy, and build comfort and trust. That way, you’ve built sexual interest in her as well.

2. Being too Nice (Starting in Comfort): “The Nice Guy”

On the opposite end, other men focus on not being a sexual threat and only building comfort. They’ll say things like “So, where are you from? Do you come here often?” before the woman knows anything about who this guy is. Share yourself first, and that will make her feel more comfortable sharing herself with you. And keeping the conversation fact-based is artificial. It’s best to make her FEEL first. Ironically, “The Nice Guy” technique still telegraphs sexual interest. He’s still trying to “get” but in a hidden way. Giving favors, gifts, compliments, early protestations of love, and being afraid to rock the boat isn’t really giving because something is expected in return. It’s okay to be a sexual threat. In fact, to create sexual tension you need to be.

3. Not qualifying or listening (Attracting but No Comfort): “The Player”

When a man attracts a woman first, but skips comfort, and goes straight for the sex, he becomes a player. This has three major drawbacks.

• A. Buyer’s Remorse. If you a rush a woman into sex too soon, she may regret it. So, avoid making out with her, especially if you’re in the club, and don’t lead her into the bathroom stall, unless all you want is a one night stand. It’s better to push her away: “We shouldn’t do this here.” Showing constraint is attractive. It also creates comfort and trust with her and increases sexual desire in her as a result. So, kiss her, but push her away. After you’ve built enough comfort, sexually arouse her in PRIVATE.

• B. She feels manipulated. For us, it can feel intoxicating when a woman shows interest in us. Before we protest our interest in her though, let her win us over first. Let her show us what she’s about. Let her EARN being with us. Let her WORK for us. After all, you don’t want to sleep with just anyone, do you? If you like who she is as a person, then show interest in her as a person. If we don’t do this, she may feel like she’s just a body and that we just go for anyone. Besides, who values handouts? A player is smooth but rushes to sex. A Venusian Artist doesn’t push for sex, but gets her to work for us first.

• C. Her guard comes up. If you cross the line into seduction too early without listening to her, spending a few hours with her (between 4-10 hours–7 hours on average), bouncing her to different locations, showing a vulnerable, honest side, connecting, laughing, touching comfortably, showing constraint, she will feel uncomfortable with your seducing her. Most likely, she’ll resist. Don’t make sex the priority. Build comfort and trust with her first. By not pouncing, she’ll more likely pounce you.

4. Not Touching Her (Attracting but Stuck in Comfort): “The Friend Zone”

On the opposite end, if a man spends too much time in comfort, he’ll get stuck in the friend zone. This usually happens when we don’t kino her. When we don’t kino, often it’s because we don’t want to “offend.” We won’t “offend” if we’re the friendly guy who speaks with his hands and touches everyone, not just the target. High-fives, hugs, hand-shakes, arm taps are accepted public forms of touch. In a discreet way, also squeeze her hand and see if she squeezes back. If she does, play with her fingers but then drop her hands. This slips sexual feeling into the interaction without being overt about it. When alone, touch her leg with yours, smell her neck, brush a hair from her face to match the gradual escalation of emotional intimacy. Touch eliminates the friend zone.

5. Not creating sexual tension (Balance Indicators of Interest with Indicators of Disinterest)

The “sexual” part of sexual tension comes from taking on the role of a dominant man interacting with a “cute” girl. The “tension” comes from the conflict of play-fighting. Tension is also the feeling of “what will happen next?” To the girl, this is exciting. She feels challenged–her pretty face for once isn’t sufficient to win over this guy. So, we must show disinterest: for example, walk away at the height of an interaction, or make her laugh with a neg instead of giving her a predictable compliment. We must also show interest too: for example smile, touch, show her appreciation when it’s deserved. In this way, we communicate with the woman inside her, not with with her polite, artificial social persona. Play-fight with her. Dominant man versus “cute” girl. This sparks sexual tension, and attraction, in her.

6. Trying Too Hard

Here are some examples of trying too hard: showing off, bragging, exaggerating accomplishments, asking a million questions, not allowing any silences, spending loads of money, entertaining her, trying to make her laugh constantly, getting interested in her way too fast, investing all our energies in one girl. Way too exhausting. The best pickup artists not only hunt, they farm. Go after one girl, get nothing. Go after 10 girls; get 7 awesome pivots and 3 lays (the best of the bunch, of course). You can only choose from the women who choose you. That means if you want to have choice, you have to be the man who talks to a lot of women. How can a girl chase us if we plant our feet in front of her and never move? Lie back and roll off. You’re the prize. Let the woman chase you. Jealousy plotlines can be an integral way to make the most beautiful women chase you.

7. Not Being Prepared

Generating a conversation out of thin air with complete strangers isn’t an easy task, so having some icebreakers prepared helps. Whip out a cheat sheet and fill it with negs, kino (write out the kino, however mundane, with negs and DHVs like stage directions), DHVs, and qualifiers. You’ll need enough material to engage a woman for 25 to 40 minutes, though ultimately you’ll need to fill 7 hours. Of that time, only the first few minutes should be A-2 material. Once we’ve hooked a woman, qualify her. We’ll stale out a set if we over-attract without having her work to attract us. We also demonstrate cluelessness about how to read a woman. Being prepared also means getting into the right state, which is a playful, positive, talkative state. Also, knowing where to bounce girls, and having logistics handled, is part of being prepared, as well as being groomed, clean, having condoms, and gum. Practice in the mirror before going out if you have to, it lends a degree of self-awareness in the field. And when you’re ready for that woman of particular beauty, forget everything and be in the moment. Ironically, preparation makes flow possible.

8. Being Too Logical and Factual

Showing off our intellect doesn’t create attraction. Our intellect speaks to her logic, not her emotions. Not smiling, keeping a monotone, factual voice, and being silent altogether doesn’t create attraction either. Where’s the juice? Women respond much more to a man who smiles and who’s expressive. This shows warmth and feeling. Women would rather feel. Rather than explain, or talk about facts and logic, or be overly serious, talk about emotional subjects, play with her, sweep her up into your arms and dance, talk about things that light you up. Passion and enthusiasm are aphrodisiacs for women. When you’re enthusiastic about something, she’ll be swept up in those good feelings and won’t want to part from them. Make a woman feel wonderful. She’ll associate feeling wonderful with you.

9. Demonstrating Lower Value

When we portray ourselves in a lower-value way with women, it kills her attraction for us. The way we portray ourselves begins in our thoughts. Instead of focusing on our insecurities in our thoughts, highlight strengths and accomplishments. Then when we’re talking with women, our positive light will naturally shine through, which increases her attraction for us. As a side note, self-deprecating humor only works when everyone is aware of one’s strengths. It becomes a form of humility, which is attractive. But when we self-deprecate without our strengths to contrast it with, it’s uncomfortable. So, why not meditate on our strengths in our thoughts? That way we grow into men of the highest value, like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

10. Fearing What She Thinks of You

Who cares what she might think of us? For that matter, who cares what anyone might think of us? All the great pickup artists seem to have one thing in common: social freedom. It’s so much more attractive to walk through the world without fear, especially without the fear of losing other people’s approval. “Approval” from others is flimsy, “approval” from within is solid. More important than getting the girl is serving a deeper purpose than women, and keeping focus on that purpose to its end with all of our hearts. Women can be sunshine in our lives, beautiful and inspiring, but true freedom comes not from getting her or from clinging to her, but from bringing our light into the world. The byproduct, not the goal, is we become a supremely attractive man to women, a man of particular value.


Want more pick-up tips to advance your game with women? Then check out Renaissan at Whet Your Woman.

19 thoughts on “Top 10 Mistakes Men Make With Women [according to Renaissan]

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  1. This is a Holy grail guide for men who don’t get. I am not impressed. Well actually I am. However I am a women who listens to logic more than emotions. Intellect gets me way more than trying to evoke emotions. So I don’t know about that.

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    1. Lol I hear that hot *ish!

      I’m not doubting you, but I’ve yet to meet the woman who doesn’t operate by the book when it comes to emotions over logics. I’ll be really impressed if this’ the case.

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      1. My dad pounded in me that emotional people do stupid things and as far as I can tell he was right. My dad has been protecting me from emotions since I could form a reasonable argument.

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  2. Intellect is wonderful. And I agree having an intellectual connection is great.

    But would you prefer a man talk about baseball statistics and what he does for a living with you, or a man who speaks with passion, makes you laugh, and makes you feel wonderful feelings? Wouldn’t you say that the reason poetry, music, and stories are so much fun is because they appeal to our imagination and our emotions?

    Romance and seduction is like poetry and music. They allow us to to shut off the chattering part of the brain and surrender to something deeper, more primal, and more blissful than what mere words and labels can offer us.

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  3. You mentioned VA in the article or even on your blog after I clicked the link on kenny’s other post about pua blogs. You’re still with Venusian Arts crew?

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  4. @Renaissan- Some classic Mystery Method stuff is in this article as I’m now digesting the contents. For instance, the “we shouldn’t be doing this”. To this day I still use this technique to its fullest potential to avoid being too sold on her.

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  5. Even though this mistake isn’t made With women, a lot of aspiring PUAs are hugely overthinking their moves before approaching which (partially) kills their game and intent prior to actually stepping up to the plate. Instead of overthinking your possible mistakes and imperfections beforehand, go and interact. Analyzing successes and failures should be done after an evening of sarging to discover what not to do next time.

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      1. I’m sure. It probably is effective but I’m desensitized to that shit and now it annoys me. I don’t mind a hug at the end of the night and maybe if you touch my arm but that’s it. Anything else and I get annoyed and turned off. Too many guys trying touch me! To me, then you’re like everyone else and you have no other way of trying to connect to me.

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