In the pick-up community, this concept is called “Hook-Point Theory” and “Curiosity Loops”, where the PUA denies the target (girl) closure by evading or refusing to answer her questions(at all or directly), and to say things to her which gets her curious.
Sasha PUA, a top instructor out of London, wrote a decent article on this: “Hook Theory”.
Also,Mcmaax of Toronto wrote a solid mind-fuck article on “Curiosity Loops”: “Get girls to chase you”,re-posted by Jesse Charger of Seduction Science.
Whenever one is denied closure: he-she is unable to move on.
Classic example is families of tragedy victims.
When there’s a lack of plausible information (evidence), people in general (families of victims), tend to not move on.
However on the contrary,when given closure, the Next logical step after closure is to move on.
Saying all this to say, You never want to give the new girl closure (answers), or she’ll lose interest and move on.
[Yesterday, I picked up an HB8 during "Social-Circle Game" (we both have tons of mutual friends in common) @ a beach party, got her #, added each other on BBM.
This' how our 1st. chat went verbatim (word for word)]:
Ms. Cøn̸çeΐtέd:“My phone have a prob so I jus restarted it. So how old r you”?
[Great sign/ioi that she initiated The Rapport Phase FIRST]
Kenny:
“Ok cool. I actually thought your BF took your phone and deleted me lol”
[Notice how I refused to answer her question immediately about my age.]
Ms. Cøn̸çeΐtέd:
“Sucking teeth he not even here”
[Great sign when she's dismissing her BF. Shows that she doesn't value him at that moment]
Kenny:
“Cool. My GF not here neither”.
[Always let her know honestly that you have a GF; especially when she has a BF. It levels the playing field]
Ms. Cøn̸çeΐtέd:
“I’m 21. So if u have a gf, y u interested in me”?
[Who the fuck said I was into her romantically LOL? The fact that she's presuming I am, is confirmation that she's actually into me. Plus this' a classic Shit Test/Congruence Test.]
Kenny:
“Damn U young as hell girl!!! feels like I’m robbing the cradle!
[I'm negging her about being young, and showing some humor and playfulness]
Ms. Cøn̸çeΐtέd:
“Yup young & sprung. Haha thats me”!
Kenny:
“Lmao I like that”
[I never tell girls I like them. I'd say "I like THAT", meaning something about them. But never them directly]
Ms. Cøn̸çeΐtέd:
“Yup”
Kenny:
“Well I’m Old enough to be your father. Old and bold”
[I use a "False Disqualifier" PUA technique. Knowing that she's into me, I say something that could possibly turn her off (that I'm old). But at this point, she's too invested to be turned off]
Ms. Cøn̸çeΐtέd:
“Good stuff I like that. So serious talk now. Which 1 of our friends told u abt me”?
[The False Disqualifier worked. She didn't get turned off, but more invested in the chat]
Kenny:
“Hold on! U wanna move 100 miles per hour”!
Ms. Cøn̸çeΐtέd:
Lmao
Kenny:
“We need a moderator here”
Ms. Cøn̸çeΐtέd:
“I just want u 2 be real thats it
=))”
Kenny: “U do recognize me though from the beach party last week”?
Ms. Cøn̸çeΐtέd:
“Yea I recall seeing you there”
Kenny:
“U hopped out the car, and u literally flashed your pussy as u came out. Was that on purpose;;)” ?
[I'm building some sexual tension. This incident was true however]
Ms. Cøn̸çeΐtέd:
“WTF!! Me 4 real? I did nt 2 do that X_X”. Lol what was I wearing?
Kenny:
“Lol embarrassed? Can’t remember what u had on”.
[Notice how I'm refusing to get into details, not giving her closure. She took the bait again with this Curiosity Loop]
Ms. Cøn̸çeΐtέd:
“yup I’m embarrassed. Did I have on a blue dress”?
[The hook Point/Curiosity Loop is killing her as she's fishing for more details for closure]
Ms. Cøn̸çeΐtέd:
“I actually didn’t have on n e panty X_X”
[She's trying to bait me into giving her more details by telling me she had on no panties]
Kenny:
“Wow!!!:O Where the hell was my binoculars lol”
Ms. Cøn̸çeΐtέd:
“:p too bad for you”
Kenny:
“Shut up lol. Back to real talk and let’s get our minds out the gutter for a second”
[I'm treating her like a little brat. Classic PUA technique]
Ms. Cøn̸çeΐtέd:
“Yea lol u started it”
Kenny:
“Ladies first. U started it. BTW, I like what I see in that photo up there. Are u an ok kisser?
[She changed her photo to a couple kissing. I spiked her Buying Temperature getting her horny.]
Ms. Cøn̸çeΐtέd:
“Yes”
Kenny:
“That’s cool! Usually girls under 25 can’t kiss worth shit”
[I use more Neg Theory with a playful sort of diss]
Ms. Cøn̸çeΐtέd:
“X_X shame on u”
Kenny:
“Lol Why u copying off me with the kiss pic”?
Ms. Cøn̸çeΐtέd:
“No u the copier. So u nt gonna tell me which friend u ask bout me”?
Kenny:
“Say it to my face that I’m a copycat and watch me plant a fat wett 1 on your forehead ! I’m gonna tell u”
[I'm once again deepening the Curiosity Loop and Hook Point by saying to her "I'm gonna tell you"]
Ms. Cøn̸çeΐtέd:
“Lol so who cares if u do plant a fat 1 on my forehead”
Kenny:
“U care. I don’t care at all”.
Ms. Cøn̸çeΐtέd:
“Lol Hmmmmm”
Kenny:
“I’d kiss u on the lips, but I don’t wanna start drama”
Ms.Cøn̸çeΐtέd:
“Hmmmmm well excuse me”
Kenny:
“They say 1 good kiss can drive a girl fucking nuts”!
Ms. Cøn̸çeΐtέd:
“full a ur self”
Kenny:
“;) Just like u. That just might be the reason why I’m sort of drawn to u”
[I'm "Qualifying her" and letting her know indirectly that I like her]
Ms. Cøn̸çeΐtέd:
“Lol how u know Im full of myself”?
Kenny:
“Our mutual friend told me” :>
Ms. Cøn̸çeΐtέd:
“Who is this mutual friend source Kenny”?
[I'm instigating the hook point theory by eluding to the "Anonymous-mutual Friend".]
Kenny:
“My source also said to me you’re full of yourself, Cocky like a MOFO, parties like an animal and love to watch Jersey Shore, but u cannot cook. That’s a negative. Really disappointed girl”!
[I'm throwing in some more "Negs" and "Curiosity Loops"]
Ms. Cøn̸çeΐtέd:
“:( Is this source name W*****i”?
[The more she digs and pry to find closure, the more she subconsciously becomes attracted to me and will think about me more]
Kenny:
“Lol funny thing u mentioned him”
Ms. Cøn̸çeΐtέd:
“Cuz I can cook that’s a lie$ Is it?
Kenny:
“It’s no big deal”.
[I'm deflecting the chat by saying it's no big deal, which it is to her]
Ms. Cøn̸çeΐtέd:
“But he thinks I’m cocky 2
Thts weird”
[She's now questioning herself and how she's perceived by her peers. So sensing her inner insecurity, I break the tension by pointing out that we're the same]
Kenny:
“We both are cocky. Little cockiness and confidence is good”.
Ms. Cøn̸çeΐtέd:
“:D ;;) sure is”!
[She now feels comfortable with admitting she's cocky because I told her I was cocky too. I'm essentially leading her]
Kenny:
“:D 
We got a lot to talk about though. Later!”
[Building more Curiosity Loops and Hook Points by telling her I have more to tell. She will dwell on this for a while, wondering what it could be: good or bad. More she thinks about it, the more she's thinking about me, and the more she'll become attracted to me and want me].
[Always hang up before she does, end the chat (online) before she does too. You wanna always be the 1 who ends it first.]
Summarized-Tactical Breakdown Of My BBM Chat With “Ms. Conceited” (her BBM name):
*I fucked with her
*I handed her shit
*Didnt back down from her shit tests
*Had an “I don’t give a crap” badboy vibe
*Never complimented her
*Didn’t over text
*Didnt apologize
*I didn’t come off as a Beta pussy
Now, the next girl you meet,no matter how or where: online, Facebook, Match.com, POF, street pickup, hooked up by family/friends, blind date, etc…
*Apply the Hook-Point and Curiosity Loops techniques fucking IMMEDIATELY which will HOOK the fucking target like fish on bait!!
And don’t just passively read this “how-to” article.
If the way you communicate with women seems to often go south(unknowing to you) ,then the catalyst of the problem might just be a lack of Curiosity Loops and Hook Points.
Men who are successful with women (online, via phone, etc.), they naturally apply HPT’s and Curiosity Loops into their chats (even unknowingly so).
Men who always fail with women, happen to never use them.
So get off your lazy ass and take mental note of how I interacted with the HB8 on BBM.
Grab your Android, iPhone or Blackberry, open up a note-taking app, and type something like this:
“From now on,every new girl I meet in my life, I will apply Hook Points and Curiosity Loops immediately to my conversations”!
Examples of HPT/Curiosity Loops you can say to the target (the girl you’re chatting with):
*“Yo, I have something really funny/interesting to tell you”!
*“Something happened yesterday, but I’m afraid to tell you”.
*Since I met you, there’s 1 thing I notice about you, and it’s strange”
*I seen a girl looked just like you last night. Very strange”
*“Remind me to tell you a secret later”.
*I like something about you, but I’m not sure if to tell”.
*Hey, you’re in your 20′s right? I figure that”.
Remember; the key is to NOT NOT NOT give her an answer(closure) when she says, “Oh what is it”.
Also remember, if she’s NOT interested in you (for whatever reason), she will NOT take the compliance test bait!
She will simply say something like, “Oh ok”.
Essentially not giving a shit about what you’re not telling her.
When she does pry to find out what it is, keep brushing it off, putting it off or just ignore it.
Say to her, “You’re too curious for your own good”.
And believe me,the second you apply these 2 simple theories of pick-up to your interactions with hot women; you will begin to see INSTANT changes, and women will be hooked!
And the added bonus; you’ll begin to get more pussy!!
As Levar Burton used to say on The Reading Rainbow when I was a kid, “Don’t take my word for it- check it out”!
For the reading-impaired, check out the video version with quick breakdown and easy to grasp examples of Hook Points and Curiosity Loops.
Fuck Kenny, putting all the theory into practice, I like how you rolled there with that chick
Once I’m more relaxed around the girl again, I’ll use a few open loops there and then – especially for things I don’t wanna answer like age (i feel a little insecure telling my age to girls who’s U18~19, lol.
Without a doubt Stealth!
I’ve known of these theories in pickup for a while now(Open Loops and all),but it’s just to apply them.
And it’s cool that you’re gonna put them to action too. A lot of dudes read how to articles but never think to actually apply them.
Speaking of age.I’m never really insecure about it,but I got a dose of reality check the other day when I chatted up an 18 year old on Facebook.
She said to me,”you’re 30.You’re too old for me”.
Lol what a shit test.But that shit made me feel a bit inadequate for a bit.
It gives me a lot to think about next time I text instead of writing the first thing that comes to mind.
And that’s the point of this article.
<a href="http://kennyspuathoughts.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/hutch.jpg
I’m pretty good at face-to-face chat, I’ve got good
at escalating too…..can acheive all the steps in
sequence, basically I’ve learnt to crawl, walk, run!
Ok sounds good enough. Online gaming has always
puzzled me(on Facebook at least). Face-to-to
face,I’m pretty solid too.
@Hutchy PUA-Thanks bro’.It’s great for
texting,phone convo and face to face chat.
Cool!
well put kenny.
This all tie into cat string theory too,tension loons and others
Point taken Mr.Sharp.
It’s all relevant to the conversation and knowing when and how to hook it.
Whenever one is denied closure: he-she is unable to move on.
Spot on, and a good thing to keep in mind. Don’t put punctuation on the end of messages. Make the move on girls at the high point of conversation, mid-way through what you’re saying. Leave threads of conversation unfinished. Keep them guessing.
Good article Kenny.
Wow!! Powerful tip there bro’!
I’m gonna employ that little tweek as of tonight,to not put punctuations at the end.
Funny thing about that is women seem to always do it,and it fucks me up in the sense that it gets me curious and thinking and guessing as to what’s her thoughts. That obviously gets me more invested and engaged.
Great point bro’.I’ll apply that to my text game from tonight.
Awesome bro glad it helps. It’s absolutely critical for shit tests: http://3rdmilleniummen.wordpress.com/2012/07/26/shit-test-responses/
Keep the posts coming!
No doubt. Didn’t know you wrote a post of shit test
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Oh lordy, why do girls keep talking to these guys who just try to play guessing games? When a guy is obviously trying to peak your curiosity, BLAH!! I’d rather them try to peak my interest with something worth talking about instead of lame-curiosity-games….
Well,women do this all the time.
If not this,at least some other forms of Game and tricks.
This is basically reversing the roles and giving women a dose of their own meds.
And that is always a powerful occurrence when you’re faced with something that you do,but never expect it done to you.
And of course the guy should have something worth talking about.
You’re perfectly right CC. From now on:
1) I will message girls back INSTANTLY whenever they write to me.
2) I will be completely, 100% predictable in all my communications with women.
3) I will inform a girl I have been out with once where I am and who I am with at all times. She won’t have to use any part of her brain thinking about me, because I’ll do it for her.
This will undoubtedly ensure that they are completely attracted to me.
I couldn’t have said It any better.
And what you broke down was the perfect example as to why a man should never listen advice from women;they’ll always lead the man astray unknowingly,by giving him Beta male advice,to pedestal,be predictable,etc.
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Always hang up first on the phone….I used
to make stuff up like, “oh, my friend is
outside and is picking me up” and I would
hang up, go take a shit and go to bed….
http://
thecaptainpower.blogspot.com/2012/08/
dont-get-married-because-you-are-
tired.html
Lmao ridiculous!
Doesn’t matter the excuse.Just as long as you hang up before she does.
Nice one Captain.
guys can use this as a way to work on conversation skills. Good game here
I may have had a Matrix moment, I think guys have used almost every one of your HPT/Curiousity loops examples on me!!!
I liked the chat sample you gave because it seemed like you were both having fun. Better than the boring, obligatory “Where do you work” “What do you do for fun” convos. That’s all we want, is to have a fun interesting time. Doesn’t even matter what you talk about really.
But wouldn’t it be hard for guys to remember all these pointers you gave and have it be natural? That’s a lot, I don’t even remember what all the pointers were.
No,it shouldn’t be difficult for guys to understand and internalize those pointers because there isn’t many to memorize.
And push comes to shove,that’s why I recommended that guys should grab a notepad,or open up a note-taking app on their smartphones,and just jot down the 2-3 main pointers: 1.)Use curiosity Loops my saying something to her to make her curious,2.) Remember to not answer her questions(directly nor right away).
Thos are the 2 main themes and lessons from this article and my BBM chat with Ms.Conceited.
Also,problem is with many guys is that they’d read an article(self help,tips,etc.),but they’re too lazy to apply any of what’s in it,eventhough they could benefit from it. They just passively read articles to pass time and get a laughter.
But when you emphasize “Get the fuck off your lazy ass” as I did,it tend to be a call to action opposed to an article that doesn’t demand the reader to take action.
PS- I have started using this on my boyfriend!!!! LOL
You’re such a little devil lol.
I wish he’d use it on you.
:-
Wow Kenny this post is really awesome dude. Are these only used during convo or can they be applied as openers to send girls online say on POF??
They cannot be used as openers since you don’t know if the girl likes you or not. They can only work with girls who are seemingly into you. Works great online too (POF, Facebook chat,etc.). But you definitely cannot use them as openers on POF or any dating site. This has to be done after he opener (maybe 3rd. Message).
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